12/10/13 EDIT: Rose is grating and is still a hussy. However,Â her Zuul-levelÂ (death thingy x TARDIS ) of possession once again reiterated that I really don’t care for Rose, but Billie Piper can b…
Okay, so, I sort of found this by accident because I was looking for something about Rose’s age discrepancy, because I could have sworn that her birthdate was changed later to match up more cohesively with Father’s Day (which is completely believable, because this is from the same brilliant production team that decided to drown a fish lol), but then someone said she was originally supposed to be younger, but the chemistry between Billie and Chris as so off the charts that they decided to make her older. I dunno.
This is a gem. Seriously. Read it as a Rose fan, and it’s just laughable. This goes along with the things I’ve said before…it’s okay if you don’t like a companion, but if you’re actually going to take the time and make the effort to write out reasons for your hate, at least make sure they’re factual, and maybe try to be a little less shallow.
On the plus side, the points are numbered, so it makes for easy countering.
1.) Basically Rose Tyler is an idiot with absolutely nothing to offer anyone.The person even went so far as to say that an episode with Rose and Shakespeare would make no sense, which is kind of…what? But I’d like to point out that even Christopher Eccleston said that Rose is very much the Doctor’s equal…the only thing she doesn’t have is the crazy science knowledge.
2.) Nine is a dick, and that’s her fault. I feel the need to add in here that the author loves Eleven, the king douche of the Doctor’s incarnations. Whatever. First of all, no blaming Rose for the Doctor’s actions. Kay? Kay. Second of all, she did stand up to him, more than once. In the FIRST EPISODE:
ROSE: Mickey! I’ll have to tell his mother he’s dead, and you just went and forgot him, again!
The Doctor rolls his eyes, unconcerned.
ROSE: You were right, you ARE alien.
In the second episode you have her irritation at the fact that she’s run off with him, and he can’t tell her anything about himself, then in the third episode she’s standing up to him about Gwyneth. Point is, Nine could absolutely be a jerk, with all sorts of belittling and emotional manipulation, but that’s not her fault, and to say she never said anything about it is a flat out lie.
They also add in here again that they’d be okay with that if she brought anything else to the table (which is bizarre, since, again, they love Eleven, who is a prick to pretty much everyone and is rarely called on it)—to which I must remind people that ROSE saved the Doctor from the Nestene, ROSE saved their asses in Downing Street, ROSE tore apart the TARDIS, risking EVERYTHING, to save him AGAIN at the end…and that’s just the first season.
Please, tell me again how she’s useless.
3.) "Rose is SUCH a dick to Mickey”. Poor Mickey. Woe is Mickey. The poor lost good guy who would clearly do anything for her.
Except of course tell her that he was dating someone else BEFORE throwing a hissy fit about her travelling with Captain Jack and then inviting her to a hotel room. Or, I dunno, maybe he could have at least attempted to disguise his glee when he (wrongly) assumed she’d been abandoned by the Doctor. Or could’ve tried not being a totally useless coward with the Nestene, clinging to her waist afterwards like a child and calling the Doctor a “thing”. Or being able to say fuck it to the match on TV when his girlfriend THAT HE WOULD DO ANYTHING FOR was nearly BLOWN UP.
God, yeah, no, he’s clearly boyfriend of the fucking year.
Then, to say that he stayed in the parallel universe JUST TO GET AWAY FROM HER. No. I’m sorry, no. You cannot sing his praises and then take away his shining moment. That was him letting her go and finding a real purpose for his life finally. That wasn’t him trying to get away from his bitchy ex. If that was the case, why the fuck would he have gone with them in the first place?
4.) “Jesus Christ with that makeup and bad hair. Just stop. Just fucking stop.” That’s it. That’s the whole point. That is UNBELIEVABLY shallow, and has zero impact on her as a character. Zero.
5.) ”And those clothes? Everything she wears feels like it was stolen from Audrey’s European Vacation wardrobe shopping montage in Italy — only louder and with a worse cut.” See above. I mean, really? That’s what you’re going to base your hate on? And yet still love Amy for her completely inappropriate for adventuring mini-skirts? (Not inappropriate to wear at all, mind, just…not real conducive to the running and jumping. Common sense.)
6.) The Sarah Jane debacle. People always make this point…and they always get it wrong. They missed the entire fucking point of that episode completely. First of all, while I can understand that Rose’s rudeness wouldn’t add love for the character…at least have to decency not to play it like it’s one sided, like she’s just inexcusably snarky to Sarah Jane without any provocation other than Sarah Jane is, you know, there. Really, that’s an insult to depth of both characters. Sarah Jane has every reason to be bitter and resentful of her replacement after getting unceremoniously dropped off in Aberdeen decades before, and if you look back at the exchanges between them, every single one has HER taking the first shot. Rose is impulsive, has a temper, and, yes, is jealous by nature, so she doesn’t keep her cool like she probably should, and lashes back. But the point wasn’t even so much that Sarah Jane existed, it was that Rose knew nothing about her. Yeah, alright, maybe she could’ve deduced that he’d have had companions in the past, but he NEVER MENTIONS THEM. And now she’s getting slapped in the face with the knowledge that one day, that’s going to be her. And that has to hurt. But at the end of the episode, it’s about the empowerment they give to each other when they realize that they’re both special, with or without the Doctor.
As for how she is with other companions…jesus. Where do people get that she’s a bitch to every companion that she meets?? She met THREE. She met Sarah Jane (who she ended up being friends with at the end of the episode), she met Donna, and she met Martha. At best, there’s her snappy remark that she was there first when Martha said she was a companion, but I still say that was more frustration that Martha could get through and Rose couldn’t. Oh, and with Donna: “minus the time alt-world Rose (wearing significantly less makeup and having more insight — coincidence???).” Yeah, those were totes the same person. Donna was alternate…Rose wasn’t. She was on her dimension hopping stint at the time. So…yeah.
"Oh how I would have loved to see her interact with River Song. Oh how that would have been, well, brilliant."
Probably, but I doubt we’re thinking the same reasons.
7.) Rose is a hussy for still thinking about the Time Lord Doctor even though she too stupid to tell the difference between him and the human Doctor, and she should be happy with what she got. Also, Human Doctor isn’t going to want her anyway because he met River Song. Yeah, I think she made it pretty obvious that she could tell the difference, given the whole one heart thing. That whole “she should be happy with what she got” mentality irks me, because she once again risked everything for him, and is dumped with a carbon copy…I mean, I’m all about Rose and TenToo, but to essentially say she should be happy with the leftovers because she’s to stupid to tell the difference between that and the main course is…gross. But you know what, they’re the same man, give or take a heart, so what the fuck ever.
But why the HELL would he want to wait for River Song “just in case?” She meant nothing to him, other than the creepy “spoilers” innuendo and forced romance from her in the Library. Also, she’s dead. Also:
Yeah, he looks super upset about being forced to “settle for the modern day version of a Dickens street urchin.”
8. “If she was so goddamn great, the 11th Doctor would have mentioned her at least ONCE.” He did. Twice. And I’m not even saying that she deserved it more than other companions did…I fully believe the Doctor loves ALL of his companions, if in slightly different ways. But if you’re going to make the argument…yeah, he did.
Then they go on to say that Eleven is super awesome in every way, and totally awesome with Amy and Rory, and it’s all a super duper love fest…ignoring all the ways it absolutely isn’t, between the way he treats them as disposable, the blatant sexism and misogyny oozing from everywhere, and the ways Amy and Rory are TERRIBLY developed are still, depressingly, the best developed of the era. No, instead this person chooses to spend their time constructing an essay on how Rose Tyler is a hussy and a bitch. And, as usual, it almost all boils down to issues of classism, sexism, and the inability to cope with the fact that the Doctor and Rose love each other.
I’m sorry, no. Rose Tyler isn’t perfect. She’s rash, impulsive, and selfish. But she’s also loyal and empathetic (almost to a fault). She’s the ordinary shop girl who proved to be capable of extraordinary feats. She’s not supposed to be perfect. She’s not SUPPOSED to be River, little Miss Mary Sue triple dipped in psycho. She’s what people tend to call a well rounded character; someone with faults and flaws that make them real, some of which they can grow out of or rise above, some are an everlasting battle…which is still okay BECAUSE THAT IS HOW REAL PEOPLE ARE.
But regardless, I get that she just might not resonate with everyone. Cool, fine, whatever. You want to gripe about her not being all-knowing and having bad taste, fine. But don’t make shit up to prove your point. That’s an insult to the character and to her creators.
This is possibly one of THE stupidest anti-Rose things I’ve ever read. Now, I don’t really care who anyone likes or doesn’t like. You don’t have to justify your opinions on fiction to me. But if you’re going to “deconstruct your disdain” … make some sense ffs.
And River.. Sigh.. I like Alex Kingston, but River Song is a cheesy, outdated, cliche.. Ms.Feisty and Flirty and “I can shoot guns without looking” and “completely obsessed since childhood with the Doctor, ain’t that romantic?” cliche. YAWN. There isn’t actually anything TO her character… she barely interacts in any meaningful way with ANY one but the Doctor, and that’s just painful to watch between all the “Sweeties” and cringe worthy out of place flirting. And the sad thing is, as someone who also time traveled with a weird time line, it could have been interesting, had they developed it into something interesting. Instead, it’s like a parody of a 1930s female character in a mafia movie…
Rose was so very human, and I think if you can’t appreciate the simplicity and beauty of that concept, you probably would love an over exaggerated cliche like River. And that’s okay. Just, don’t bother trying to come up with so called “legitimate” reasons for it…. I have yet to see any that make sense. Just say you don’t like her. It’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. Every one else be damned.